You're wrong. We can move on.

When this happens is the time I'd recommend getting mad about it. In all seriousness I can't defend a position that hasn't occurred.

I don't find limiting myself to answering the same question asked 7 different ways three times is really all that great a sin.

A few points, from my point of view, about some of the comments made above.

1: Odd ball cases will be looked into on an individual basis. If CCP Sreegs gets too specific on how the details are aquired and analyzed... or gives an official "forumula" on how all cases fo this nature are going to be handled... all he has done is given ammunition to those who will gladly find a way to abuse the procedure.

2: If you loan ISK it is your responsibility to be very sure the person receiving the loan in trustworthy. Any loans of ISK are in no way protected. If you loan to the wrong person (as in RL) you may very well lose your investment.

Just stick to the technical analysis you're so fond of.

you could audi...
oh wait only an idiot would trust your audits my mistake

My job isn't to secure the loans your corporation is making outside of the game mechanics. That is your risk and always will be.

:edit: and always has been

Giving isk to someone is in the game mechanics yes. Getting it back with interest based on some predetermined condition is not. That is what a loan is. A deposit box is not a loan system. We didn't build a loan system and nothing you're lamenting has occurred based on anything my team has done. Nor do I even see it as conceivable at this point but don't let that stop you from making 100 more posts on the subject in this thread. :)

Great job Sreegs!

I'm amused by your resilience in dealing with these whiners...

Dont cheat= you'll be alright.

Afraid about loans/reimbursement/something else= stop doing till it will be safe again; maybe you could do it till now just because of bots,rmters :)

If the guy's an RMTer you do run a slight risk of being flagged but it's a discussion we'd have to have when all the pieces came together.

I tend to really lose faith in humanity when the most forum active Dev in CCP catches so much **** from players.

I find it really hard to grasp why anyone would be made nervous by that blog. Have some faith that they are trying to catch bots, not harass players. If you are nervous based simply on reading that blog, your probably doing something shady.

Kudos to the security team, BTW.

Seriously - would you go cry your tears somewhere else. Loaning ISK is a game mechanic *created* by the players so CCP has no responsibility to guarantee your loans.

Would you have any sympathy for me *if* I rented space in 0.0 and was scammed? Would you have any sympathy if I was ransomed in low sec, paid the ransom and got killed anyway? Would you have any sympathy for me if I paid GS to join them only to find it was a scam?

No.

So why should we have any sympathy for you if you load someone ISK and you end up losing it? You seem to be asking for a stone cold guarantee for your "business".

Well, guess what? This is EVE. You want guarantees, go play another game.

PAN

Vaerah, why don't you take your own advice, or your meds, or preferably both, and stop beating the dead dog..
It's getting squishy.

Sreegs has answered your incessant questioning, no make that whining, with more grace and patience than you deserve, and answered your "concern" to the best of his ability and without giving actual methods away other than that while the flagging/tracking system is at least partly automated, each case/cluster is individually handled to ensure the Knife is properly Twisted.

The fact that his answer is not to your liking falls under HTFU.
From where I'm sitting you are simply trying to get him to admit you are a Special Case and are ...."Safe", or have him stumble over some of your verbal diarhhea and make a remark you can later claim as "proof" that you have been Woefully Done Wrong.

Sreegs does not speculate, does not comment on hypothetical cases other than "we'll deal with it if the situation crops up", and will never give you what you seem to desire.

All we know is that you have been whining incessantly asking for something you have been told - repeatedly - in this thread that you are not going to get.

A transaction is not just a transaction.. it is a transaction with a Known RMTer then the banning begins.. (I believe) The reason there has been a delay RMT trading bans was to track the web of people involved from the few RMT people who were found.

Sreegs has already stated that people who insist that they are "false positives" and get banned should use the normal petition route.

Nice!

well done ccp!

Noob question: Is the inflation of the last weeks linked with all these bannings?

Are there expected concequences to the market?

Agreed! (Quoting so I don't have to paraphrase this since I'm typing too much below as is)

It hasn't been said particularly well in this thread, but I think most of the nervousness of players who have built something "unsupported" in the sandbox is that future methods for security or whatnot are going to trample over everyone in a "**** everyone who isn't using hard coded game features" way.

Nice pedantism on the OS references by the way.
I preferred the old peek and poke on a vic 20 and girls in the days of yore..

Hmmm. Let's see. You're a little upset that you might get caught up in something as a result of your interactions with other players. You're concerned, because, hey, you trusted people and they might turn out to be bad. As a result, they may cause an incredible amount of damage to you, your corp, and your alliance; damage that you feel shouldn't be done because, hey, you trusted someone who turned out to be bad. Hmmm. Where have I heard this before? Where oh where? Oh yes, its an exact description of spies, corp thieves, traitors, and the like.

Welcome to eve mother****ers. Be careful who you trust.